why didn't steve downs get custody

TIL On May 19, 1983, Diane Downs shot her three children and drove them at 5-7 mph to the hospital. I will not remove anything. Just goes to show how difficult it is sometimes to find the truth. Thanks for posting for readers. I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted. That conflict of interest alone would incline Christie to testify against her mother. She repeated it years later at school. What?? Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. As for Diane, give me a break. The children had a father. Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. Why did CK shoot the kids multiple times and DD once? Will Cheryl ever be let out of her grave? I didnt know that. I am just curious. Diane had siblings and parents. I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. answer the question why didn t steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. Someone can have an evil vibe and not be guilty of a crime. This is an extremely tragic case and her children at the very least deserve justice. They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. The popular TV movie Small Sacrifices was based on Ann Rules book and it painted a horrid picture of the mother accused of shooting her children on Old Mohawk Road. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Her parents Willadene and Wes were old school Baptist parents who raised her under strict guidelines without much warmth but complete devotion. It was never a slam dunk. This video of Jagger absolutely looks like the photo that you find on search engines for Fred Hugi. I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. How could they expect a normal mother/daughter reunion between a beaten inmate whose mental health had degraded and a daughter trapped in this insanity? Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap. And she laughed at it by saying it was healthy to want to join the free world, especially if you proclaim your innocence. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? Very little is definitively known in this area. I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. (Appendix 3). This whole tale is just unbelievable. Im sure nothing I write will change that. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. But I think that in all fairness, many of them dont even know the details of the case and have watched Small Sacrifices instead. She even provided the police with her own sketch. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. I dont care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. please express them and I will print them. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. How asinine. Christie could not speak but after some rehab, she said repeatedly that she did not know who shot them. In reality,the whole caseturned out to beno small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media anda very lucrative deal for theQueen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule. She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. No conflict of interest there? Speculative? To Lori It was known as Manic Depression. Christie was it though. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. Where to begin? Tracy, I never said she was in the car. I agree that the verdict may have been very different. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. It probably makes you feel so good. The people who implemented lockdowns would never be anywhere near public policy again. Most people described Dianes injury as minor or superficial but in reality, it was a very serious injury. We talked about Steve's love of Marvel films and we joked about the staff knowing we were on a blind date because the waitress had . According to Oregon law, this would have to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Diane provided both. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. What man has ever publicly revered a former secret mistress? Click to listen to podcast explaining the gun test, Dianes mental condition and the lack of forensic evidence. Hed left his first wife to co-habitate with (and later marry) Charlene. Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? A number of them were clearly . Its tiresome. The problem with high profile cases is that the media, the DA, the cops and authors like Ann Rule dictate the narrative and it becomes almost impossible to look any other way unless you are a critical thinker devoid of emotions related to the case. Or can have an accomplice. Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the bushy haired stranger. The problem was that they could not find the gun anywhere and they had nothing on Diane. I encourage you to read all the facts before being so sure that she was guilty or that she acted alone. They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. Women who were somewhat normal begore, get pregnant, have the baby, then drown it a toilet, kill or beat the the baby in the first year..shaking or other means..its less often then notbut better believe these type of cases are reported constantly now on social media. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differentlywe been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence provenprobably over 10 years or longer, people expect trials to be that of a law and order TV show..I cant say thats a bad thing, or makes what happened in the 80s on back bad. (witness statement the gentleman who was behind her for at least 10 minutes). Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. The fact that they used her daughter and lied about the gun they could never find makes it a wrongful conviction. He should have let someone else handle the case or let someone else adopt the kids. To Lisa Griggs My beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule Lets not take that lightly. Johns Hopkins said lockdowns reduced deaths by 0.2%. Nobody knows but her. Yes, I usually answer the emails I get about the blogs. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. Just saw the video of Dianes parole hearing. This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. I have watched her parole hearing. These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. I think it posible she brought the kids there to be shot by someone else. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. Diane was pregnant during the trial so if found not guilty, how would she have regained the love of her life? I would say so. I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author. Her power to manipulate is why she is where she is to begin with. How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life? Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. I also grew up in as time of the most infamous case in Australias judicial history: Lindy Chamberlain and the dingo stole my baby. No excuse there. During closing arguments, Fred Hugi said that the murder weapon used by Diane was a Ruger, and the state had the model number and the bill of sale. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. Hello. One could argue that this blog does not stick to what came out at trial. did he have eyes in the back of his head.???? Those cases shouldnt have been in the same court let alone presided over by the same judge. Much worse. She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Diane and her family fought for them but were blocked from day one. Our laws are not written that way. Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. Diane asked for proof that her ex husband was behind the shooting. Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. Let me tell you, it wasnt just the investigators and the prosecution that didnt believe herwe, Oregonians, (who ACTUALLY live here and watched what was happening) believe she is guilty. It does seem time has done worse to her. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. You need real evidence in court. Below this letter see links to Salem-News.com articles about the questionable conviction of Diane Downs. In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. According to the state, the shooter was well inside the car and would have had gun powder on its clothing, body or hair if 3 people were shot in the car at close distance. Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. Hardly circumstantial or coincidental what are the chances that a bushy haired stranger, masked men, or someone that knew her (take your pick from Dianes ever shifting account) would have the exact same bullets matching to bullets from a gun owned by Diane ? After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. After parting ways, the couple would soon meet again in Arizona which would end up in them reigniting and reconnecting their fling. Not giving you free reign here. It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. The whole case is crazy. Nothing came from Diane herself. There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything. I must humbly admit that I had not questioned the facts of the case before readily accepting this image of Diane as a cold blooded killer. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. At the time Diane had told police that a stranger attempted to carjack her and shot the kids, and that's what her ex husband was told, too. So Mark, where are you from? Mind you, it is before the trial. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. Her case was too public and they are afraid of public backlash. CMOH said 2 doses = minimal protection against infection . Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracys car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. What I believe doesnt matter at all. What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. Not even the gun. The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. He didn't indicate whether Downs would appeal. To listen to Christies taped conversation, click below. No one bothered with these details so I did. They rarely are, especially in the US. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. Ask them what they did to a good man. Thats the problem with high profile cases. I wish she could get a new look. In a perfect world this would always be the case. Danny downs did indeed say a man shot him he also blamed a cartoon character. Not our place to decide. It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. .well yay for youtubelol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. Diane said that Cheryl was laying down on the front floorboard with the passenger seat pushed back. I agree about pregnancy and childbirth affecting women differently, and even having different effects for the same woman with different pregnancies. Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her aloofness (doesnt prove shes a killer by the way! The fact that the accused in this case was atypical, makes her the perfect target. In fact, Diane and her lawyer wanted Christie to be able to heal before being questioned and to be accompanied and taped during the sessions. Is. Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. You do not refute any of the points I made in the blogs. Speculative. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. This blogger believes in the presumption of innocence and in the possibility of redemption. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. Not hard to go there. why didn't steve downs get custodylagu sekolah minggu bahasa inggris Opinion Fox News's blackout of Jan. 6 points to a hidden crisis for Democrats The not-so-shocking revelation that Fox News will not carry House committee hearings about the insurrection is yet another sign that right-wing media will go to extraordinary lengths to shield . I also found it curious that when Diane was first eligible for parole she was allowed to apply every 2 years thereafter until she either gets paroled or dies in prison. They examined her clothes also. And when kids are hurt, emotions keep flowing endlessly. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. Yes, Im sure this stranger wanted to kill her kids but only wound her, who, coincidentally, had a towel handy neatly folded on her wound. For the children to be legally free for adoption a termination of parental rights had to occur. According to your own experience Lori, dont they try to give grandparents custody or at least access in cases comparable to this one? Something that would never stand in court now. I will change it. She talked to Diane for 15 minutes, there was thebizarre and partialOprah interview that was basically a lets bash Diane event and she wrote to Diane in jail to ask her what she thought of Hugi adopting her children. All of it is explained in the blog you didnt bother reading. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. is this a reason??? They would have welcomed them with open arms. 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